tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post4201219870463075548..comments2023-08-06T04:09:45.468-07:00Comments on ...and hijinks ensued.: PolygamyPrincess Pointfulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10911296163218358167noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-55724863689274552202009-02-17T16:32:00.000-08:002009-02-17T16:32:00.000-08:00Thanks for putting out the clarification that the ...Thanks for putting out the clarification that the FLDS church is different than the LDS church :) <BR/><BR/>And yes they go after polygamy charges because it's sometimes easier to prove that case than to prove the others. :( I completely agree with you on the whole statutory rape thing - they should all go to jail.K.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12233200394154630870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-70973035538167419262009-02-17T08:49:00.000-08:002009-02-17T08:49:00.000-08:00I'm with Arielle and Dan -- the first quote blows ...I'm with Arielle and Dan -- the first quote blows my mind a little bit.<BR/><BR/>I cannot imagine going through something like that or being raised to think that's the way things are and will be.<BR/><BR/>The women who have come out and written about their experiences are so strong.EPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600424792398230829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-29616261774145487872009-02-17T01:52:00.000-08:002009-02-17T01:52:00.000-08:00It's amazing how writers like this woman can come ...It's amazing how writers like this woman can come out of their experiences with the perspective and strength to make sense of it.Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11235077158774802615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-69796696953765420232009-02-16T18:29:00.000-08:002009-02-16T18:29:00.000-08:00Polygamy is very intriguing but disturbing to me. ...Polygamy is very intriguing but disturbing to me. The entire way these girls are treated and raised makes me sick.Bayjbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09544971638369054902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-2231823558669451962009-02-16T17:40:00.000-08:002009-02-16T17:40:00.000-08:00I know I havent commented lately, but this one is ...I know I havent commented lately, but this one is interesting to me. <BR/><BR/>You see, I think that religious freedom needs to not be used as an excuse for illegal activity. So far as I am concerned, polygamy is still not really a religion because they're so new, and they continuously use their religion as an excuse to do illegal things - the secrecy, the cover-ups, the abuse... yeah, that's not a religion. That's a cult.KAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03090582170365523716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-25660730719896928792009-02-16T16:04:00.000-08:002009-02-16T16:04:00.000-08:00I also thought about drawing a family diagram abou...I also thought about drawing a family diagram about that... and decided against it as I don't have enough brainpower right now.<BR/><BR/>p.s. (and this is hardly a pointful speculation considering the weight of your post and the inane light-heartedness of my comment)<BR/><BR/>I had a cat scratch me on the neck and it got infected. It looked like a hickey. Except it took fourteen thousand times longer to heal. <BR/>So I had a "hickey" mark on my neck for about a month. <BR/><BR/>Just thought I'd mention that since I just now read your cupid-dog post.Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698634959011777086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-82210589378085216032009-02-16T14:05:00.000-08:002009-02-16T14:05:00.000-08:00This polygamy stuff simply baffles me. Even watchi...This polygamy stuff simply baffles me. Even watching "Big Love" on HBO, I can't help but ask myself about 100 questions about what the hell these individuals are thinking...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-44943773247928617612009-02-16T14:03:00.000-08:002009-02-16T14:03:00.000-08:00It took me a cup of coffee and a serious diagram i...It took me a cup of coffee and a serious diagram involving many arrows to understand that first paragraph. Whew!<BR/><BR/>When it comes to adults who make the choice to live a polygamous lifestyle, I try my best not to pass judgment, because their choices and/or the religion that dictates their choices is something I know very little about. <BR/><BR/>However, when non-consenting children become involved, I feel strongly convicted in the immorality of the polygamists' ways. I agree with you. I find it very disappointing that when we, as outsiders, hear such tails, we devote more energy to judging the adults than we do being concerned for the young children involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-69325210205485750752009-02-16T12:48:00.000-08:002009-02-16T12:48:00.000-08:00I totally, totally agree...I totally, totally agree...Babshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07418318582788815683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-37901565355364988722009-02-16T12:37:00.000-08:002009-02-16T12:37:00.000-08:00The CoJCoLDS used to advertise on TV in my hometow...The CoJCoLDS used to advertise on TV in my hometown when I was a kid. Creepy.<BR/><BR/>I don't see how allowing gay marriage could be a precedent for polygamy--and arguing thus would puts a serious pall on the movement to legalize it here in the US, as conservatives will obviously start saying "Look! See what happened in Canada!!"<BR/><BR/>And I'm guessing that the polygamy is seen as the <I>cause</I> for all the other abuses, thus they must first charge based on that main legal technicality, whereas trying to charge statutory rape gets you into a weird muddy area when the defendant then says "but according to our religion we were <I>married</I>, so it's not rape"... If you can invalidate the marriage, then the other charges become punishable... or something.<BR/><BR/>The whole thing makes my head hurt.the frog princesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05263491966906372090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-78965056773490802682009-02-16T10:23:00.000-08:002009-02-16T10:23:00.000-08:00I guess the answer is because Polygamy still has k...I guess the answer is because Polygamy still has kind of outlandish connotations. It allows media interest and means that interest is retained. Kind of a cynical marketing ploy really.<BR/><BR/>By focussing on the polygamy, they emphasise that these people are not 'us', they are something evil that needs to be expunged. It's alleging that they are abusers BECAUSE they are polygaminsts.Crushedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-16411516547938249902009-02-16T09:06:00.000-08:002009-02-16T09:06:00.000-08:00If they were smart about it they'd go with whateve...If they were smart about it they'd go with whatever would get the max # of years, and then add on lesser counts, so they have more leverage for a plea. Polygamy gets the headlines, which for better or worse can be motivation for the prosecution. <BR/><BR/>ps. My word verification was "dextr"...almost the name of one of my fav. shows of all time!Therapeutic Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12781452874259470378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-13836164173903356902009-02-16T08:18:00.000-08:002009-02-16T08:18:00.000-08:00Growing up in Utah, I have some of the same though...Growing up in Utah, I have some of the same thoughts that you do. I've tried sorting it out in my head but it's so complex and almost seems unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-42296972681986808932009-02-16T06:49:00.000-08:002009-02-16T06:49:00.000-08:00stuff like that just makes my stomach churn.stuff like that just makes my stomach churn.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17795526911040698284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-70417798404043648562009-02-16T05:21:00.001-08:002009-02-16T05:21:00.001-08:00While I hadn't heard about Bountiful yet, I do rem...While I hadn't heard about Bountiful yet, I do remember the media storm that were the raids on the YFZ Ranch. I remember being most concerned about the boys and girls who were caught up in this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-64929410361337458702009-02-16T05:21:00.000-08:002009-02-16T05:21:00.000-08:00I dont really care for polygamy much. Im not sure ...I dont really care for polygamy much. Im not sure I understand the whole reason they do it.<BR/><BR/>but I do like that show big love on HBO.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00976360898085871173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-2526560207976710722009-02-16T04:47:00.000-08:002009-02-16T04:47:00.000-08:00I don't think the charges are indicative of what s...I don't think the charges are indicative of what society wants them punished for. I think the porsecution took a long hard look at what they are up against and made the compromises necessary to stopping the abuse. In the end, it's better to spare the innocents than try to bring all the guilty to justice. <BR/><BR/>In the case of the FLDS, as I understand it, the remaining members are incredibly tight knit and resist any outsiders. Even if these outsiders are trying to prove charges of statutory rape. An episode of This American Life, "The New Boss" talked a little about the church.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09919359435977950129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-48479046536252142632009-02-16T03:40:00.000-08:002009-02-16T03:40:00.000-08:00I don't understand polygamy but I I respect it - I...I don't understand polygamy but I I respect it - I doj't respect, however, the abuse that many times exists along with it - great post..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-56910487939395931162009-02-16T03:15:00.000-08:002009-02-16T03:15:00.000-08:00You are totally right.They are taking the case dow...You are totally right.<BR/><BR/>They are taking the case down the wrong path by questioning polygamy, per se. It has the possibility of setting up a dangerous precedent if they do lose the case.Yodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09711652528962940049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-54929752487497714212009-02-16T00:32:00.000-08:002009-02-16T00:32:00.000-08:00A few years ago I read "Under the Banner of Heaven...A few years ago I read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer and it was such an interesting read.<BR/><BR/>Since then I've paid attention to what's happening in Bountiful and Utah and tried to make sense of it all.<BR/><BR/>Obviously its an interesting dilemma but like you said, i think the biggest thing is the children and their welfare. Minors should always top any and all other concerns.Cazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01686803288323819543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-45271538050221855572009-02-16T00:21:00.000-08:002009-02-16T00:21:00.000-08:00I think I have the same view of polygamy as you. I...I think I have the same view of polygamy as you. I've kind of wondered why it is illegal - strikes me as a law that is based upon the christian notion of only one partner at a time, so an example of a specific religion influencing law.<BR/><BR/>But then the bit about the teenage males speaks volumes - it's a hark back to tribal days of empire-building by lead males, and that in itself breeds all kinds of medieval values. Maybe that's the idea behind the action: get a ruling on polygamy and set a precedent once and for all?Anthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09303340501621622951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-46619492211072864222009-02-16T00:05:00.000-08:002009-02-16T00:05:00.000-08:00urgh those poor girls. There's some polygamy occur...urgh those poor girls. There's some polygamy occurs here in my country but very few, and not that complex / massive, definitely not marrying own relatives / families like that.<BR/><BR/>Knowing this makes me mad. Those kids have so much to live for.Andharihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08341293139717998410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-70198725215767797532009-02-15T21:26:00.000-08:002009-02-15T21:26:00.000-08:00I have to agree with Arielle - drawing a family tr...I have to agree with Arielle - drawing a family tree must be a complex journey.<BR/><BR/>The transport of minors and other such details are the real problems. I think that interplay of religion and law and personal rights leaves many police forces just as tangled as a family tree.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027973862125764895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7246838997491107294.post-63635773708414925192009-02-15T21:11:00.000-08:002009-02-15T21:11:00.000-08:00I spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head aroun...I spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around that opening quote. I almost made a diagram on paper but decided against it. I still don't get it. That stuff is crazy.Ariellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01384759716791136904noreply@blogger.com